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Can I install a mosaic ceramic tile floor over linoleum?
Apr 15, 2007 by sunmoonandcompass | Posted in Do It Yourself (DIY)
I have a very old little house - all crooked, dugout, etc. - that is very cute but I'll never get out what I've already put into it (fireplace, new windows, laminate flooring etc). Now I would like to lay broken ceramic tile in the kitchen and bathroom. I can get the tile for free because it's chipped or broken and the mosaic looks great (I did it around my fireplace) and it hides the crookedness. However, I don't want to have to hire a carpenter and buy wood as a base - I want to do this on a tight budget. The tile sales person says there is a different cement I can use on a linoleum floor so I can just lay it over top. Apparently its much more expensive but it's available.
Because it's small pieces I don't think levelling is such an issue. On the other hand the linoleum is water discolored from a time when my washing machine broke. What do you think? Can I do it? Or should I lay wood first - I have to hire someone to do that - can't do that myself.
The linoleum isn't old - the bathroom was put in about 4 years ago and the kitchen when I moved in 14 years ago. Problem is the water damage - in the kitchen from a broken washer and then it got ripped and in the bathroom because it was poorly installed and water from the shower leaked underneath. It's glued down and I can rip up the top layer in some places but not all - and it has the paper backing still stuck to the floor. LOL I just started ripping.
Why don't you try pulling up the old linoleum. It shouldn't be too hard to lift it if it is already old and decrepit. And underneath it should be wood. So then you can save yourself the cost of the expensive linoleum cement, and just use the regular stuff.
Once you have placed the broken tiles, I suggest sealing the floor to make it waterproof, so that you won't have to worry about your washing machine damaging your new mosaic floor.
iritadragon | Apr 15, 2007
I completely agree with the above answer, tear up the lino as it will break up over time and will not provide the support required for the tile (it is too flexible for proper support).
MT C | Apr 15, 2007
The linoleum flooring may well have asbestos in it. If you take it up you just can't take it to a dump.
It would be best to cover the floor with cement board first.
But if flooring is tight to the floor & you don't care if it lasts a real long time just put the tile over the linoleum.
Floyd B | Apr 15, 2007
Not to sound like I'm bragging, though I suspect I'll get usual thumbs down on any answer, but I've been in the trades a long time and have installed thousands of sq. ft. of various flooring.
I re-did my kitchen in a great Terra Cotta tile, originally 16/16, all from broken pieces. approx. 200 sq. ft. It looks great,,,BUT I removed the old sheet vinyl first.
In your case I suggest sacrifice another 3/4 inch, lay concrete backer board over the current floor, and tile away. Remove the cove base, and then replace.
I do suggest trying small sections at a time, and try to maintain a minimum grout line. anything up to 1/2 inch works with sanded grout. beyond that non sanded is recommended, though in a high traffic area I go minimum. I also suggest a grout mix with a poly blend added in case you don't seal. Actually the job, while tedious looks well worth the effort after the fact. I sealed mine with clear polymer allowing ease of cleaning after the fact.
With concrete backer board, you get a great substrate and one that allows in it's mini voids, mortar will not have to just set on a top/flat surface.
Steven Wolf
An add on. The flooring you have now...Lino or Vinyl is non porous, hence nothing for Thin set to adhere properly to.
Steven W | Apr 15, 2007
1st off you need to remove the linoleum. Then I would recommend you putting down that concret board. Buy putting that board down the floor will not flex and you adhere better. When the floor is not flexing you are less likely to have your grout and tile cracking.
suro25 | Apr 15, 2007
i would lay a 1/4 tile board down screwwed to the floor.you can cut it with a utility knife.your sub floor needs to be 1 1/4"
thick for tile so it doesnt move (deflection).if u do mosaic i would seal the grout a couple of times or get the new no stain.probaly cheaper to seal.the tile board comes 3'x5'
and cost about $10.its a better base than wood.plus you might need the thickness anyway.thats the best way to go
gravedigger23225 | Apr 15, 2007
Take it from a tile setter. Your tile salesman is out to lunch. There is no thinset that will stick to lino. Ripping up the lino will be a hassle even if it is old. I suggest that you go over the lino with 3/8 inch spruce or fir and screwing the edge at 4 inch intervals and the interior of the subfloor every 6 to eight inches. The subfloor is put in to provide strength for the tile and flex so the tile and grout will not crack. Your wood and screw gun can be picked up at home depot or rona. Good luck and happy tiling.
bitternomore | Apr 16, 2007
Mosaic tile over ceramic tile?
Oct 11, 2006 by mariequartrepouches | Posted in Decorating & Remodeling
I have a very sold sturdy ceramic tile on my bathroom walls, house was built in the 1950's. Can I apply mosaic tile over the ceramic tile. Also can I tile over my brick fireplace face and hearth?
You can tile over tile.You need to sand or grind the surface first to make the mortar grab better.This is a Tile Council of America approved method.
Karl G | Oct 15, 2006
Can I lay mosaic tiles on top of ceramic tiles?
Aug 21, 2006 by melcar12345 | Posted in Decorating & Remodeling
I want to change the backsplash in my kitchen. I don't want to go the costly route of tearing down my current ceramic tiles so I wanted to know if I could just lay the mosaic tiles on top of the ceramics? Anyone know?
Thanks
It is common to tile over tile. Make sure that the original tile is well cemented and that the combined tiles won't be too heavy for the wall. Use a pre-mixed polymer adhesive. It sticks well to tile and is extremely solid. Ask at your local hardware store.
Luc | Aug 21, 2006
Can I use concrete stain on rough-ceramic tile? I want it a more muted color?
Mar 07, 2008 by GiddyupG | Posted in Decorating & Remodeling
I have a kind of terrazo-looking ceramic tile mosaic border and the whites just pop out too much and I want to mute them without taking it all out of course!
Would concrete stain work? Thanks!
Here's the picture, it is very ROUGH tile, not "sealed" looking, do you still think concrete stain is a nonstarter?
http://www.home-see.com/floory.JPG
Probably not. The ceramic tile has been sealed so the stain cannot penetrate. There are paints made specifically for ceramic tile but that may not be the look you're going for.
SA Writer | Mar 07, 2008
I have plain white ceramic kitchen tiles and looking for mosaic tile transfers where can i get them?
Jun 10, 2006 by yviehall@btinternet.com | Posted in Do It Yourself (DIY)
Wilkinsons, Jessops and Do it all, just search for their websites
sarah c | Jun 10, 2006
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